diff --git a/src/engraving/compat/engravingcompat.cpp b/src/engraving/compat/engravingcompat.cpp
index 0b58e91b1399e..9572f32eabf75 100644
--- a/src/engraving/compat/engravingcompat.cpp
+++ b/src/engraving/compat/engravingcompat.cpp
@@ -297,6 +297,9 @@ static void doMigrateOffset500(EngravingItem* item)
         return;
     }
 
+    // In versions <5 any adjustment to offset meant we couldn't centre items between staves
+    item->setProperty(Pid::CENTER_BETWEEN_STAVES, AutoOnOff::OFF);
+
     item->setOffset(CompatUtils::getAdjustedOffset(item, item->offset()));
 }
 
diff --git a/src/engraving/rendering/score/alignmentlayout.cpp b/src/engraving/rendering/score/alignmentlayout.cpp
index a31b4f761d1ad..b306ed2b16837 100644
--- a/src/engraving/rendering/score/alignmentlayout.cpp
+++ b/src/engraving/rendering/score/alignmentlayout.cpp
@@ -193,7 +193,7 @@ void AlignmentLayout::moveItemToY(EngravingItem* item, double y, const System* s
 
 double AlignmentLayout::yOpticalCenter(const EngravingItem* item)
 {
-    double curY = item->pos().y();
+    double curY = item->ldata()->pos().y();
     switch (item->type()) {
     case ElementType::DYNAMIC:
     case ElementType::EXPRESSION:
diff --git a/src/engraving/rendering/score/dynamicslayout.cpp b/src/engraving/rendering/score/dynamicslayout.cpp
index 62c4ac5f4f23d..a9ef4f1553062 100644
--- a/src/engraving/rendering/score/dynamicslayout.cpp
+++ b/src/engraving/rendering/score/dynamicslayout.cpp
@@ -152,7 +152,7 @@ void DynamicsLayout::layoutDynamicToEndOfPrevious(const Dynamic* item, TextBase:
 
 void DynamicsLayout::manageBarlineCollisions(const Dynamic* item, TextBase::LayoutData* ldata)
 {
-    if (item->score()->nstaves() <= 1 || item->anchorToEndOfPrevious() || !item->offset().isNull()) {
+    if (item->score()->nstaves() <= 1 || item->anchorToEndOfPrevious()) {
         return;
     }
 
diff --git a/src/engraving/rendering/score/systemlayout.cpp b/src/engraving/rendering/score/systemlayout.cpp
index 5b0fabc38586a..7f922d66e9885 100644
--- a/src/engraving/rendering/score/systemlayout.cpp
+++ b/src/engraving/rendering/score/systemlayout.cpp
@@ -1845,9 +1845,6 @@ void SystemLayout::processLines(System* system, LayoutContext& ctx, const std::v
             }
         }
         for (SpannerSegment* ss : segments) {
-            if (!ss->offset().isNull()) {
-                continue;
-            }
             const double& staffY = ss->spanner() && ss->spanner()->placeAbove() ? yAbove[ss->staffIdx()] : yBelow[ss->staffIdx()];
             if (staffY > -DBL_MAX) {
                 ss->mutldata()->setPosY(staffY);
@@ -2625,11 +2622,6 @@ void SystemLayout::centerBigTimeSigsAcrossStaves(const System* system)
 
 bool SystemLayout::elementShouldBeCenteredBetweenStaves(const EngravingItem* item, const System* system)
 {
-    if (item->offset().y() != item->propertyDefault(Pid::OFFSET).value<PointF>().y()) {
-        // NOTE: because of current limitations of the offset system, we can't center an element that's been manually moved.
-        return false;
-    }
-
     const Part* itemPart = item->part();
     IF_ASSERT_FAILED(itemPart) {
         return false;
@@ -2689,11 +2681,6 @@ bool SystemLayout::mmRestShouldBeCenteredBetweenStaves(const MMRest* mmRest, con
 
 bool SystemLayout::whammyBarShouldBeCenteredBetweenStaves(const WhammyBarSegment* wbar, const System* system)
 {
-    if (wbar->offset().y() != wbar->propertyDefault(Pid::OFFSET).value<PointF>().y()) {
-        // NOTE: because of current limitations of the offset system, we can't center an element that's been manually moved.
-        return false;
-    }
-
     staff_idx_t staffIdx = wbar->staffIdx();
     Staff* thisStaff = wbar->staff();
     Staff* nextStaff = wbar->score()->staff(staffIdx + 1);
@@ -2754,7 +2741,7 @@ void SystemLayout::centerElementBetweenStaves(EngravingItem* element, const Syst
     const double minHorizontalClearance = system->style().styleAbsolute(Sid::skylineMinHorizontalClearance);
 
     Shape elementShape = element->ldata()->shape()
-                         .translated(PointF(elementXinSystemCoord, element->y()))
+                         .translated(PointF(elementXinSystemCoord, element->ldata()->pos().y()))
                          .adjust(-minHorizontalClearance, 0.0, minHorizontalClearance, 0.0);
     elementShape.remove_if([](ShapeElement& shEl) { return shEl.ignoreForLayout(); });